original sin and where it came from

in the scheme of important things to talk about, this might not be one of them, as it is becoming more of a passing fad. but thought this little nugget was of interest. the idea didn’t start in scripture.

Saint Augustine, according to Elaine Pagels, used the sin of Eve to justify his idiosyncratic view of humanity as permanently scarred by the Fall, which led to the Catholic doctrine of Original sin.

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7 comments

  1. Jeff · January 13, 2010

    What's your take on Psalm 51:5, George?

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    • conspiracyalive · January 14, 2010

      Hey Jeff, thanks for stopping by and the question.

      I would respond by first saying that it is important to remember that the Psalms were a collection of Hebrew poetry. Which tends to be rife with hyperbole, including traditional writing other than poetry. To be Hebrew meant you wrote in exaggerations.

      Thanks again bro!

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      • conspiracyalive · January 14, 2010

        There is also a famous Midrash (Jewish commentary/backstor/contextual explanation) that explains this: The Midrash probes the very idea you discuss, the reason for David's ostracism from the rest of the family, and it states that David was born out of a suspected adulterous relationship by his mother. The story goes like this: David's father, Jesse, became uncertain whether his ancestor, Boaz, had a right to marry the Moabitess Ruth.

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      • conspiracyalive · January 14, 2010

        This is because of the Biblical prohibition of marrying a Moabite, which Boaz decided excluded Moabite women and only applied to the men: Deuteronomy 23:3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever. Originally Boaz had ruled that Israelites may marry Moabite women, because the reason for the prohibition is spelled out in the very next verse and does not apply to women (since it is the custom that men go out to greet strangers, not women)

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      • conspiracyalive · January 14, 2010

        4 Because they met you not with bread and with water in the way, when ye came forth out of Egypt; and because they hired against thee Balaam the son of Beor of Pethor of Mesopotamia, to curse thee. According to the Midrash, for some reason Jesse became uncertain about this ruling and voluntarily separated from his wife, thinking that perhaps his own Israelite pedigree was illegitimate and that he should not be wed to an Israelite woman. Now, in a turn that is reminiscent of Tamar and Judah, Jesse's wife (David's mother), who was certain from the Holy Spirit that she was destined to bear an anointed son, went to her husband disguised as a servant girl and he slept with her, not realizing her true identity.

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  2. conspiracyalive · January 14, 2010

    When later it became clear that she was pregnant, Jesse's sons considered her guilty of adultery and they regarded David, born from this union, to be a bastard offspring. This explains, according to the Midrash, the enmity of his brothers towards David. Of course, in reality, the Midrash claims that David was perfectly legitimate, except to the extent that his father did not know he was lying with his mother at the time of conception, which introduced a slight spiritual flaw into David's character. And this may well be the reason for his words in Psalm 51:5.

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  3. conspiracyalive · January 14, 2010

    And so a better way to say this, filtering through the lens of exaggeration is that David is dealing with personal rejection in an extreme way which comes out through his choice of words. As if to say, 'Am I that bad to feel this much rejection?' 'Am I not lovable like the others?'…and so David is dealing with these feelings by using extreme verbiage to explain his deep frustration with familial breakdown.

    I hope this helps explain a bit more of what is going on….it was a personal thing that David wrote down, which might be dangerous to apply to the whole of the human race.

    Thanks again bro!

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